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Glad to hear it is outdated with poor facts, why don't you work on improving it now??
Ancient Korean martial art existed before Japanese military occupation. Even though Japanese military government outlawed Koreans practicing Korean art. Koreans still practiced Korean martial art. Reader must always remember during 36 or 40 years of Japanese military occupation over Korea. Japanese outlawed everything People, Language, Culture, Food, History, and Martial arts. Japanese tried very very hard to erase everything Korean as much as possible. In the end look at the reality. Korean race still exist, Korean language and culture still exist, Korean food and martial art still exist. Japanese history changed so many times its really hard to believe that Japanese martial art influenced Korean martial arts. If Japanese culture has given Koreans that much of strong impact then Korean language, Korean food, Korean culture, and Korean history, Korean art must have strong Japanese influence. But it does not. So how can Japanese Karate influence Korean Taekwondo?? The word Taekwondo is modern and simplified form of combining all ancient Korean martial arts into one. Korean Pumse ( Kata Jpn), Korean Kicks, Korean hand strikes, are very different from Shotokan Karate. Only similiarity would be both are Stand position fight martial arts and they have similiar uniform.
Taekwondo is divided into two system. North and South Korean styles.
ITF Taekwondo ( North Korean style): Full contact sparring system. More self defense oriented martial art. Much emphasize on accuracy and discipline.
WTF Taekwondo ( South Korean style): Point system contact sparring system. Morea health sport oriented martial art. Much emphasize on flexability and discipline.
History between ITF and WTF is split into two ideology. Only way for me to correct and provide updated information with accuracy is first two Taekwondo association must unite and agree one united Taekwondo history. North Korea has all valuable information regarding to Ancient Korean martial art book ( Korean martial art Bible). Until Historians or Taekwondo martial art researchers need those information to provide accurate information on Korean martial arts including Taekwondo. Many Japanese nationalist get a kick out Shotokan karate influencing Taekwondo but in reality Karate was originated in Okinawa not Japan. Okinawa was under Chinese cultural influence. Please keep in mind " Kyukushinkai Karate" Mas Oyama was Korean. He was influenced by Korean and Chinese martial arts. He also incorporated Taekwondo kicks into Kyukushinkai karate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korea4one (talk • contribs) 13:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I have read Wikipidia Taekwondo article. Its outdated with poor facts. Specially the Taekwondo history. Taekwondo is Korean martial art. Japanese military government colonialized Korea for 36 or 40 years could not even destory Korean language and culture. How can Japanese martial art take over Korean art??
Korean martial art Taekwondo existed. Tang Soo Do is Korean translation of Karate. When Korean men were drafted into Japanese army they studied Tang Soo Do / Karate. Whereas Taekwondo was practice among Korean commoners. Buddhist monk practice Taekwondo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korea4one (talk • contribs) 14:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Recent research in Korea has shown time and time again that martial arts forms in Korea were in place for centuries, and did not arise in copying of Japanese forms. The occupation of Korea by Japan and the closing down of traditional Korean art schools from 1905-1945 is little known in the west. Citations will be added showing that the Korean martial arts were originating forms, despite the very frequent errors made in claiming Japanese origination for every kind of art form in Korea: from swords to ceramics.
Citations to be appended soon.
There have been a lot of suspiciously POV-seeming additions to this page recently. Unfortunately, I don't know nearly enough about this area to tell fact from opinion/fiction. Please check this article for veracity and neutrality. -- Visviva 12:04, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Taekwondo is Korean martial art. Korean martial art Taekwondo existed in Korguyro Kingdom.
Taekondo is has two system ITF and WTF.
1) ITF Taekwondo ( North Korean sytle) Full contact. Rely on Traditional discipline and self defence, combat. Less Sport.
2) WTF Taekwondo ( South Korean style) Point Sparring, Sport excercise martial art ( Olympic Sport) Self defence. Rely on Sport Self defence. Less combative.
3) Hapkido: Korean mixed art. Some people say Hapkido is similir to Aikido. Major difference is kicks. Hapkido has many kicks that Aikido don't have. ( Similiarity: Joint Locks, Throws, Take downs, Weapons). ( Difference: Hapkido has many kicks). Sparring system Hapkido is full contact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korea4one (talk • contribs) 14:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Like I asked earlier, whom is this utterly unfounded and ridiculous "argument" credited to? To repeat, the "Shinra" of the alias of Minamoto no Yoshimitsu ( a member of the dominant Minamoto clan) was taken from the name of a shinto shrine called Shinra Myojin (新羅明神) where he celebrated his coming of age, and his lineage has nothing to do with the state of Shilla (cf. ja:源義光). This is a very basic fact of Japanese history that you could find even on regular Japanese dictionaries (cf. ). It doesn't take a historian to see the stupidity of this so-called "argument." There is a Korean newspaper article that seems to show the origin of this argument: . It is a misreading of a statement made by Kenji Tomiki (富木謙治), a professor of Waseda University. Tomiki only said that the founder of Aikido was a man by the name of "Shinra Saburou Minamoto no Yoshimitsu." The Korean reader interpreted the name as meaning a man by the name of "Minamoto no Yoshimitsu" who was a "Saburo" (supposedly the name of some office) of the state of "Shinra," although in reality "Shinra Saburou" was only an alias of Yoshimitsu derived from the name of the shrine.
Here goes another ridiculous nonsense. Who said this really? To repeat again, "Jujutsu" is rather a newer term that was began to be used from around the Meiji period to group together a great variety of schools and systems that had been practiced and developed from much earlier times under their own unique names, and it's not like there has been a single martial art system called "jujutsu" from the antiquity. Black Belt magazine article writes: "All styles of jujutsu founded after 1868 fall into the modern classification... Before the name "jujutsu" was adopted, the art had various appellations such as kumu-uchi and yawara because the training was dependent on the school, which was allied with various feudal families. Kano traced the roots of jujutsu to the early 1600s. The oldest progenitor was takenouchi-ryu, reportedly originated by Takenouchi Hisamori in 1532. This branch taught kogusoku, or the art of seizing, which is different from pure jujutsu. The takenouchi-ryu may be regarded as the primal system for the teaching of arts similar to jujutsu" (Brian Jacobs, August 2004).
Now, it's only a big disgrace to the authority of Korean martial arts if you credit these two "arguments" to them. If you want to keep them on here, that's fine. But they have to be presented as bogus nonsense as they are. I wouldn't keep such nonsense if I were a big fan of Korean martial arts. Hermeneus (talk) 23:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
And yes, every description of Wikipedia articles ought to be well-founded and sourced. That's what "References" and "Bibliography" sections are for. It's your burden of proof to show the credibility of text if someone contested its credibility and you still want to include it in a Wkipedia article.
did you even read my version? can you translate the japanese link? the newspaper link just retells the korean version, so actually serves as a citation for the existing argument. you didn't provide any links for the jujitsu issue. none of them support your story or conclusion that you want to put in the article. until you do, your edits look like utterly unfounded & ridiculous nonsense. will you agree to blank History of Japan if i personally dispute it?Appleby 23:41, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
ok, thanks, now i'm convinced. but i'm thinking you'd get a similar reaction if you edited any part of History of Japan, calling it "utterly bogus" "urban legend", without citing any publications. Appleby 00:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Just a few comments - I guess that I added these "arguments" to the article originally - not because I believe in them, but because a few people had seemed adamant about a "Korean origin" blurb, and so to assuage them (as they can always re-add any content that is deleted), this content was added, dubious or not. In any case, the sources that Hermeneus found are very good for argument number 1 (the Korean article and Shinra Saburo's coming-of-age). Although argument 2 is also by no means a strong argument intrinsically, it would be helpful to have primary sources (showing the oldest extant examples of usage of the word "jujutsu" in Japanese writings or "yusul" in Korean writings) so that we can more properly refute the argument (Black Belt doesn't really have a lot of clout).
Edededed 02:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
The section "Modern Korean martial arts" needs comprehensive checking regarding its claims and lack of sources. Most of the historical facts presented there have been widely spread in the KMA scene around the world but as far as I know there has never been any documented or at least unbiased source to prove them. Besides that most of the facts now marked with "dubious" or "citation needed" are historically incoherent. I myself have been trying to get some coherent fact out of these stories spread throught the KMA community (at least some solid reason other than simply artificially promoting and oversizing KMA's role in the Marcial Arts world). So far not a hint other than the obvious.
Does anyone have a first-person source (i.e. from the creator of the style) for the Hanja for Hanmudo? The version I wrote in originally was from a magazine (in which they interviewed the said creator) - but I suppose it is possible that they made a mistake in transcription? Or he lied? In any case, they surely did not write "韓武道" in that magazine article. If someone could just go and ask him, that would be very nice. :)
Edededed 01:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
There is also hanmudo.com the style founded by Dr.He Young Kim, the style probably most famous. He also writes the name of his style with 韓. 韓 stands for Korea (see names of korea). Kbarends 06:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
In the Wikipedia article Taekkyon, it says '...subak was divided into different segments, including yusul (a grappling art), kicking, and so forth, with Taekkyon being one such segment....'. So then why does Taekkyon have kicks? Keep me in touch.100110100 06:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I dunno, but I thought the page looked better before adding tables (various reasons). Anyone else want to revert? (Also, the page content seems to be of a strong POV type, too...)
Edededed 01:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Not only that, the descriptions for each style stink! Soobakdo is a "peasant style?" Tangsoodo is "just like Shaolin?" It always makes me sad to see articles degrade like this... (Add weeping sounds, please) Anyone want to fix them up?
Edededed 06:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually I propose moving the Table to a Temp page so that the information can be accessed and incorporated into the article - and then we can delete the Temp page after some time. Tables - especially this sort are generally discouraged in Wikipedia. They are just another form of Lists.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The table was moved to User talk:PRehse/Korean martial arts/Temp where it is rapidly being reduced as the information is being incorporated into the article.Peter Rehse (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Be considered a traditional Korean Martial Art true it was more of a Warrior teachings but they did teach Martial Arts in the training so.....? -Easternknight
I have recently cleaned up the Asian martial arts (origins) article. I added a section for Korean martial arts, but no information currently graces the page. If anyone is knowledgeable on the subject of the origins of Korean martial arts, please feel free to add cited material to the page linked above. You can mention legends if you want (referenced of course), but please try to restrict your edits to verifiable material, preferably found in scholarly publications. Thank you. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)